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Miss CEO
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Posted - 2011.11.09 05:43:00 -
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Great risk with stacking penalties is that remote repairs would not scale well past certain limit, rendering logistics completely useless in large fleet fights.
The problem with using ECM (in my opinion) is not so much about managing targets, but the reliability of ECM modules. In order to counter X-number of logistics effectively using ECM, you need a lot bigger number of pilots than you would by bringing logistics of your own. So it is simply more cost effective (as in how many pilots you need to spend) to bring more logistics than trying to counter them with EW.
Bottom line is that logistics need effective and reliable counter that is not "more logistics". |
Miss CEO
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Posted - 2011.11.09 06:34:00 -
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Bacchanalian wrote:Another possibility would be some form of ewar that reduces the effectiveness of RR. Remote repair dampening, in effect, but applied to the RR target rather than the RR ship in question. Or alternatively the logi. Either way, some sort of ewar that countered reps more directly than trying to jam out 15 50 sensor strength Guardians would be another solution that wouldn't make logistics unfeasible in larger scale engagements.
Obviously this effect should not be projected against target of repairs, since that would defeat the whole purpose of logistics. Opposing fleet would simply focus these anti RR modules on primary, which would mean that primary never gets repairs. So if there was a anti RR module, the effect should be projected against logistics, to reduce their capabilities. |
Miss CEO
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Posted - 2011.11.10 22:04:00 -
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The whole discussion about best counter is irrelevant while the game works the way it does. Noones going to put 50 pilots into EW ships on top of their own logistics to counter a fleet with 20...30 logistics, while it's far more effective to put 10...15 of those EW pilots into logistics to beat (or match) opponents logistics numbers and the rest into DPS boats.
It's as simple as that. Adding more logistics into your fleet is by far the cheapest (head count vise) method of adding performance and staying power. |
Miss CEO
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Posted - 2011.11.10 22:29:00 -
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Quark Valhala wrote:How would locker breaker bombs work on this doctrine?
Maybe give lock breaker a time delay from like a cycle time on jamers?
Not very well in high-sec and low-sec 
In 0.0 it might disrupt the repairs for 4...5 seconds (or it could fail miserably). This means that you need a bomber to drop a new bomb like every 5 seconds to keep the pressure up and considering the bomb launcher cycle times, this amounts to a LOT of bombers. So again, the pilots are better spent in more logistics and DPS boats. |
Miss CEO
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Posted - 2011.11.11 15:18:00 -
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Raptor217 wrote:Alpha fleet is the end all counter to excess RR. If you alpha the target, your reps don't matter.
alpha works great when you got the numbers (A.K.A. The BLOB). However, alpha counts for nothing if you do not have enough of it, as it usually is the case with small (20...40 man) fleets, which is what this thread is all about.
Now if alpha is the end all counter to RR, how does it work when you can not alpha your targets?  |
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